Curse

Bryant Again · Sep 12, 2007, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by ..L..

Kick obsidian ranger in the face FTL it was undesirable now its even more undesirable

Agreed that that is insanely weak for them to do. I don't care what you touch, just not the FoW.

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Originally Posted by ..L..

1.5k kurzick + hideous reskin

= NEW ARMOR

It's actually a 15k Kurzick reskin.

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Xandra the ritualist hero sends her regards

Entire GW en Playerbase just got OWNED by heroes

You mean Xandra pretty much says "*#%@ you."

Ownt be heroes indeed...*sigh*

iriyabran · Sep 12, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

i actually managed to get over the fact that my ele (main char) won't be getting anything new in the chapter because the ele reskins are one of the worst reskins of all armors (norn looks decent but i prefer my fow over it)
but seeing heroes get SO MUCH BETTER armor than players is just mocking with us....

lyra_song · Sep 12, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by SotiCoto

That doesn't necessarily mean that the two use exactly the same mesh. I have encountered different meshes before that are capable of using the same textures.

As it happens though, I have checked against Guildwiki.... and sure enough the texture-mapping is identical between Sousuke's final armour and the Vabbian. If they're not the same mesh then at least they're variants on the same one with only minor tweaking.

For the record though.... when that person used Sousuke's texture on their armour..... what happened when they tried to dye it? Did they say?

You cant dye texmodded textures. Youll have to manually tweak the texture if you want new colors.

But this isnt even stealing armor, its still only stealing a texture. This is a good example.

I could use texture from a tree and use it on my armor....

Onarik Amrak · Sep 12, 2007, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by ..L..

The ultimate Mix and Fail

= NEW ARMOR!

1.5k kurzick + hideous reskin

= NEW ARMOR

Another warrior mix and failure!

= NEW ARMOR!

Xandra the ritualist hero sends her regards

Entire GW en Playerbase just got OWNED by heroes

You just have to ask yourself... Why...

The Warrior Monument armor is the worst armor I've ever seen. Anywhere.
The Warrior Asuran is pretty close to second worst armor ever.

Do you think that Anet thought they could get away with these lousy lazy reskins? Surely someone at some point along the design process must have said, "This isn't going to go well with our players."

Why in the world would they offer such aesthetically terrible armors?
And they didn't even fulfill their promise of 40 new armor sets!
Dwarven is just a collection of pieces that don't even get recognised in your HoM.

Only the warrior actually has 4 sets because of Silver Eagle, and even that doesn't count towards your HoM.

gg Anet. we got pwnt.

lyra_song · Sep 12, 2007, 01:24 PM // 13:24

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Originally Posted by Onarik Amrak

You just have to ask yourself... Why...

The Warrior Monument armor is the worst armor I've ever seen. Anywhere.
The Warrior Asuran is pretty close to second worst armor ever.

As a full set, i think the warrior monument is lousy. Individually, i think they would mix well with the reskin sets.

Wear the helmet with a 15k templar set.
The gloves with a Primeval set, etc.

I personally like the Asuran warrior, although its got an awful dye setup.

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Do you think that Anet thought they could get away with these lousy lazy reskins? Surely someone at some point along the design process must have said, "This isn't going to go well with our players."

Why in the world would they offer such aesthetically terrible armors?
And they didn't even fulfill their promise of 40 new armor sets!
Dwarven is just a collection of pieces that don't even get recognised in your HoM.

Only the warrior actually has 4 sets because of Silver Eagle, and even that doesn't count towards your HoM.

gg Anet. we got pwnt.

Remember.......personal taste and preference.

Mordakai · Sep 12, 2007, 01:29 PM // 13:29

Well, the answer of "why" is obvious, although I don't like it.

It's easier to create one set of armor for one model (a hero) than to create 20 new sets for every player. (profession times gender).

Still don't know what Anet was thinking, though. That we wouldn't notice?

Onarik Amrak · Sep 12, 2007, 01:38 PM // 13:38

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

As a full set, i think the warrior monument is lousy. Individually, i think they would mix well with the reskin sets.

Well that's the problem ain't it?
Warrior Monument is a set.

That's the way they designed it.
That's the way it's supposed to be worn.
That's the way it goes into your Hall of Monuments.

Sure, the helmet would be a good substitute for a 15k Templar helm..
but isn't that because they're practically the same thing?

If Anet wanted Monument to be used piecemeal among existing sets they should have put it in with the other Dwarven armors and created a set that actually has a cohesive aesthetic instead.

..L.. · Sep 12, 2007, 02:20 PM // 14:20

Another Few reskins brought to light.

Necro Mixup what a waste

I cant believe they made the same reskin twice -.-

Hydromancer + red dye = NEW ARMOR!!!

Another reskin of a armor already pretty undesirable.

Livia raises her Middlefinger to all female necros out there.

Wish you were a npc now dont ya.

Bryant Again · Sep 12, 2007, 02:52 PM // 14:52

I know that it would probably be difficult to give us the hero armor straight as it is, but can we at least get the guys creating the hero armors to switch teams with the player armor designers? Like seriously.

lyra_song · Sep 12, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Bryant, art teams are usually divided into Props, Characters and Environments.

Anet's job titles on their page include: Artist, Level Designer, Prop Artist, Animators, Game Designer, Writers, Graphic Designers.

I doubt its a different team that did the NPCs differently than the players.

Velath · Sep 12, 2007, 06:24 PM // 18:24

The thing that irks me the most out of all of this is the fact that the Asuran armour is reskins, yet they're a totally alien race to humans, and they happen to create similar armour to what we've seen before? As far as lore and atmosphere goes, that annoys me more than anything else. I've got no plans of getting any complete sets and have only seen a few pieces that I want for any of my characters.

Avoc · Sep 12, 2007, 06:58 PM // 18:58

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Originally Posted by Bryant Again

Agreed that that is insanely weak for them to do. I don't care what you touch, just not the FoW.

You got no idea how dissappointed I was when my fow-wearing ranger spent 2 days grinding for the 5th tier of the ebon guard title track, just so I could buy the armor. When I finally reached that 5th tier, I set myself on "offline" just so people wouldn't bug me.
With itchy fingers I went to my storage, picked up the necessary mats and gold and bought the armor.

First I took on the coat: OOooh, nice a coat.
Then I took on the pants: Mmh.. kinda plain, nvm.
The gloves: ... wait, why didn't they change.. oh wait. WTF? Its the same model as my FoW gloves that I spent 15ecto and 15 shards during the time when ecto was 8K a piece. Are you telling me they used the same freaking model?? And that coat.. where have I seen, oh great.

A bit nervous I equipped the boots. I felt pissed upon.

rohara · Sep 12, 2007, 07:15 PM // 19:15

heroes are spoiled rotten...they make us pay for their runes, weapons, and insignias...steal our loot...AND they get all the cool armor

Bryant Again · Sep 12, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Bryant, art teams are usually divided into Props, Characters and Environments.

Anet's job titles on their page include: Artist, Level Designer, Prop Artist, Animators, Game Designer, Writers, Graphic Designers.

I doubt its a different team that did the NPCs differently than the players.

So if that's the case, they knew that these armors were incredibly subpar and went through with using them anyways?

..L.. · Sep 12, 2007, 08:27 PM // 20:27

Id love to see Gaile or anyone else from Anet justify these reskins, We know hero's can have better skins because their only one layer scale whatsoever. This still doesnt excuse the fact that the armors are POORLY reskinned and require work to buy them. I know theres a common selling technique by putting something on a great golden plate but a load of crap still looks like a load of crap even on a golden plate. Reskins are fine if they arent that obviously dissapointing. To the people yelling prophecies had reskins true but prophecies had unique armors 1 normal and 1 elite version of it gwen gives us a crap version of the elite ones we already have gwen should have 2 unique armors just like prophecies and factions and some nf armors.

Foxeye · Sep 12, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

I keep telling myself that they plan to slowly give us new armor over the next year or so until GW2 is out, like they did when they recently gave us the new elite armor for monks and warriors.

But yeah, I hadn't looked at all the hero armor until I read this thread...did indeed almost piss myself. Such incredibly gorgeous stuff....so cruel. Especially since we can only have 3 heros around at at time.

THe whole thing...it was bait and switch. I can't see it any other way. Any dev with any sense knows what players expect when they hear "new armor". We have two campaigns of examples of what "new armor" is. Somewhere a long the way you know someone pointed out "um, we say new armor, but we're doing mostly reskins...people aren't going to like it", and someone replied "whatever, they're more likely to buy if they think there are 40 new armors. We'll just play deluded and act like we had no idea they wanted new meshes". Not saying it's a big evil conspiracy, just that I know human nature, and somewhere along the way someone decided that it was acceptable to get folks hopes up in the interest of better sales.

Very disappointing, but, eh, nothing folks haven't said already.

SotiCoto · Sep 12, 2007, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

You cant dye texmodded textures. Youll have to manually tweak the texture if you want new colors.

I'm not entirely convinced.
Obviously there is something in the original textures that allows them to be dyed.... some value or other hidden somewhere.... and it can only be a matter of finding that value and tweaking it.

I'll bet it is connected somehow to alpha-channelling or some other form of layering in the texture file.... dictating which parts can be dyed....

O'course this IS just guesswork...

Goldleader · Sep 12, 2007, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Shame on you for creating a post like this. Now I'm disappointed as well. I didn't need to know that they did that crappy of a job. But now that you pointed it out, I agree...very sad.

Ignorance was bliss.

Markaedw · Sep 12, 2007, 09:57 PM // 21:57

Since now Gaile has gone into one of the armor threads and said "tuff". Are you more, less or neither; inclined to invest any more money in A-Net?

rangersaurus · Sep 12, 2007, 10:29 PM // 22:29

I didn't read through all of this because well... I am lazy. So if someone made this point, then just humor me. I won't try to validate the reskins, but I am tired of people using the argument that "the heroes have better armor, therefore we were screwed." Why?

Even back in the Prophecies, the henchmen were getting nice, unique armor. Eve and Cynn have armor that is much nicer than some of the armor in the original Prophecies campaign. Heroes/Henchies getting nice armor is nothing new! I can understand being disappointed in the EotN armor reskins, that's fine. But complaining about something that has been going on since Prophecies (and was never complained about as best I can tell) is just completely pointless. You want to be mad at the reskins... fine. But don't try to make like heroes getting nice armor is something new.